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	<title>Comments on: A Little Piece of Advice for the Major Record Labels</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://evolvor.com/2008/02/14/a-little-piece-of-advice-for-the-major-record-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-39163</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a musician, making money from selling records/tracks is becoming increasingly difficult, so we tend to allow free downloads to get us heard and make the money back through live performance.

At the moment I would say a good tour manager is far more useful than a record label.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a musician, making money from selling records/tracks is becoming increasingly difficult, so we tend to allow free downloads to get us heard and make the money back through live performance.</p>
<p>At the moment I would say a good tour manager is far more useful than a record label.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Bunting</title>
		<link>http://evolvor.com/2008/02/14/a-little-piece-of-advice-for-the-major-record-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-27644</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Bunting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for answering my questions Eric.  You clarified things for me.  I think the way you described the &quot;stock&quot; model actually makes a lot of sense, especially if there is an industry wide ceiling.  

Another thing though, you talk about niche and genre, about how record companies need to  create and infiltrate communities.  What about bands and artists that transcend genre?  The Beatles, for instance, were hippy, poppy, hard rock, acid rock, world music.  People followed them because they loved them and because they were really good.  

My question then is, does the community revolve around the genre?  I like music in probably 10 different genres, does that mean I belong to 10 different communities?  Maybe, but probably not.  I think communities, or &quot;tribes&quot; as Seth Godin puts it, is a great way to look at this, but I think they&#039;re more complex.  Also, I don&#039;t think I would trust any community set up by a record company (at least not from today&#039;s industry).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for answering my questions Eric.  You clarified things for me.  I think the way you described the &#8220;stock&#8221; model actually makes a lot of sense, especially if there is an industry wide ceiling.  </p>
<p>Another thing though, you talk about niche and genre, about how record companies need to  create and infiltrate communities.  What about bands and artists that transcend genre?  The Beatles, for instance, were hippy, poppy, hard rock, acid rock, world music.  People followed them because they loved them and because they were really good.  </p>
<p>My question then is, does the community revolve around the genre?  I like music in probably 10 different genres, does that mean I belong to 10 different communities?  Maybe, but probably not.  I think communities, or &#8220;tribes&#8221; as Seth Godin puts it, is a great way to look at this, but I think they&#8217;re more complex.  Also, I don&#8217;t think I would trust any community set up by a record company (at least not from today&#8217;s industry).</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hebert</title>
		<link>http://evolvor.com/2008/02/14/a-little-piece-of-advice-for-the-major-record-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-27628</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Hebert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right in that labels do provide production value, no doubt about that. That&#039;s probably the one thing they do have - the studios, equipment, and specialists to get the job done. 

However, even these costs are dwindling as digital studios offer the musician a cost effective means to record their own music.

It still doesn&#039;t replace the traditional studio, but it&#039;s viable.

The &quot;songs as stocks&quot; concept is just that - it&#039;s a concept being tested. Will people pay for a track that they can steal? That depends of what their time is worth. I don&#039;t steal music via p2p, but I know it takes me time to click a few icons, wait for some software to load, search for the track, and cross my fingers that it&#039;s the right quality (or right track at all). 

If I&#039;m used to buying a track with a service and it&#039;s more convienient to buy the thing for a buck, I will. And that&#039;s pretty much where the ceiling it for a model like that - songs are free and begin costing money (up to a buck) when they get popular. It&#039;s just a concept at this point.

You&#039;re gonna see a lot of people testing out new concepts like this one to see what works. I just ran into my buddy while getting coffee and he stared me in the eyes and said &quot;how are musicians going to make money&quot;. My response? Everything. By that I meant different revenue streams. Instead of one big load of cash upfront, you gotta set up different ways of monetizing the intellectual property. Any smart business operates this way. If a system like the one mentioned above brings in a little revenue, good. If not, find the one that does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right in that labels do provide production value, no doubt about that. That&#8217;s probably the one thing they do have &#8211; the studios, equipment, and specialists to get the job done. </p>
<p>However, even these costs are dwindling as digital studios offer the musician a cost effective means to record their own music.</p>
<p>It still doesn&#8217;t replace the traditional studio, but it&#8217;s viable.</p>
<p>The &#8220;songs as stocks&#8221; concept is just that &#8211; it&#8217;s a concept being tested. Will people pay for a track that they can steal? That depends of what their time is worth. I don&#8217;t steal music via p2p, but I know it takes me time to click a few icons, wait for some software to load, search for the track, and cross my fingers that it&#8217;s the right quality (or right track at all). </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m used to buying a track with a service and it&#8217;s more convienient to buy the thing for a buck, I will. And that&#8217;s pretty much where the ceiling it for a model like that &#8211; songs are free and begin costing money (up to a buck) when they get popular. It&#8217;s just a concept at this point.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re gonna see a lot of people testing out new concepts like this one to see what works. I just ran into my buddy while getting coffee and he stared me in the eyes and said &#8220;how are musicians going to make money&#8221;. My response? Everything. By that I meant different revenue streams. Instead of one big load of cash upfront, you gotta set up different ways of monetizing the intellectual property. Any smart business operates this way. If a system like the one mentioned above brings in a little revenue, good. If not, find the one that does.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Bunting</title>
		<link>http://evolvor.com/2008/02/14/a-little-piece-of-advice-for-the-major-record-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-27560</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Bunting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the article linked, and I&#039;m not sure I understand it all.  Is discovery really the only thing that I&#039;m paying the record company for?  What about production and other costs associated with delivering quality music?  

Also, the author talks about turning iTunes into something like Wallstreet with singles rising and dropping like Google.  If the hottest single is selling for $3.46 and I want it, what&#039;s to stop me from downloading it somewhere else for free (or less).  Songs are not stocks because you can&#039;t steal a stock (yet, anyway).  

It doesn&#039;t make sense to me.  Am I just reading it wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article linked, and I&#8217;m not sure I understand it all.  Is discovery really the only thing that I&#8217;m paying the record company for?  What about production and other costs associated with delivering quality music?  </p>
<p>Also, the author talks about turning iTunes into something like Wallstreet with singles rising and dropping like Google.  If the hottest single is selling for $3.46 and I want it, what&#8217;s to stop me from downloading it somewhere else for free (or less).  Songs are not stocks because you can&#8217;t steal a stock (yet, anyway).  </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make sense to me.  Am I just reading it wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Coffey</title>
		<link>http://evolvor.com/2008/02/14/a-little-piece-of-advice-for-the-major-record-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-26719</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Coffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, nice grasp of value added.  Where is the value added from the old line music industry?  I cannot see it.  
I trust several people to tune me in to new music sources.  I don&#039;t need, nor do I want, to have the music execs tell me what to listen to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, nice grasp of value added.  Where is the value added from the old line music industry?  I cannot see it.<br />
I trust several people to tune me in to new music sources.  I don&#8217;t need, nor do I want, to have the music execs tell me what to listen to.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Reakes</title>
		<link>http://evolvor.com/2008/02/14/a-little-piece-of-advice-for-the-major-record-labels/comment-page-1/#comment-26688</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth Reakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric

Great post, I think your insight into the music industry is on the mark, especially in terms of the multiple business models now on offer. I&#039;m Gareth Reakes, CTO of &lt;a href=&quot;www.we7.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We7&lt;/a&gt; which I&#039;ve been part of building for the last three years. We7 is an ad-supported music download service which has just celebrated its 2m download and we are now starting to see genuine strength in different economic values and choices for consumers. Like you, we believe that the coming few years will continue to change the industry but it&#039;s exciting to see that some of the record labels are really starting to put the consumer experience and community first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric</p>
<p>Great post, I think your insight into the music industry is on the mark, especially in terms of the multiple business models now on offer. I&#8217;m Gareth Reakes, CTO of <a href="www.we7.com" rel="nofollow">We7</a> which I&#8217;ve been part of building for the last three years. We7 is an ad-supported music download service which has just celebrated its 2m download and we are now starting to see genuine strength in different economic values and choices for consumers. Like you, we believe that the coming few years will continue to change the industry but it&#8217;s exciting to see that some of the record labels are really starting to put the consumer experience and community first.</p>
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